Thursday, April 14, 2016

Debate - Thiel vs Andreessen

Milken Institute Conference 2013, Debate on innovation

Peter Thiel
  • Technology - critical factor to take civilization to the next level
  • People think tech is not a good think: Hollywood movies 
  • Wages have been staggering for 40 years in US
  • Challenge: how to measure acceleration and deceleration
    • Number of employees working in computer industry
    • Market cap of companies
    • Intuition
  • Any area outside computing, there has been deceleration since 1970 
    • Energy, biotechnology (number of patents decreased), cleantech, transportation, food
  • Computer revolution, hope computers save us all
  • Number of people employed in IT decelerated since 2000 (up 17%) compared to 1990s (up 100%)
  • Market cap of tech companies from 2000 are less than Google+Amazon 
  • Computer era is at risk of decelerating in the next decade
  • Computer 'rust belt' Dell, IBM, Cisco, HP, Oracle:: Microsoft, Apple are close to belt 
  • Thiel is optimist and Andreessen is pessimist
  • Internet was initially underestimated, in late 90s it was overestimated
  • Right now: there is not much hype as in the 90s, there is not much reality either based on market caps of companies from 2000s
  • Low tech airport security which take transportation speeds back to 1960s
  • 1750-1970 - tech acceleration; 1970-2010 tech deceleration
  • In 1970 we were promised cure cancer
  • Flying cars are not realistic
  • Flying cars would not get off the ground today 
    • lack of innovation in energy
  • What sector really matters - energy
  • Energy input to the economy is very close proxy to GDP growth
  • Twitter is good company, great job security
  • California - center of innovation, the best state
  • World of stuff is regulated and world of bits is not
  • Mean wages have gone up 350% after inflation since 1943 to 1973, and 22% 1973-2013
  • Median wages were flat
  • 92 people 10B or more, 11 made in tech, in computers, 25 made in natural resources - technological failures
  • What evidence would convince you that you are wrong?
    • life expectancy
    • cultural component
    • number of scientists - not a good indicator of innovation
    • scientific papers - turn out to be inaccurate
    • imagination is important
  • scientific movies in Hollywood should produce movies to show technology is good
    • Star Trek movies
  • Emerging markets should copy the technology from the developed world
  • The best technology mostly comes from Silicon Valley
    • We like to invest in first and best technologies
    • Something of somewhere is nothing of nowhere
    • 10-20 years, there will be innovations
    • Room for innovation Israel, Canada, Scandinavia, Germany
    • Japan copied but never overtook
Marc Andreessen
  • Agrees exactly 50% with Thiel
  • Usually disagrees with Bill Gates but agrees on flying cars which are energy inefficient
  • Thiel - transportation decelerated - we are not going faster
  • Three categories in changes in transportation
  • Advancements in IT that make transportation less necessary 
  • Twitter - instant public global messaging for free
    • Compared to telegraph era people this is a big deal
    • Big deal for business, news, politics, cultural discovery
    • Kids from early age get to interact with kids from other countries 
  • The whole basis of our civilization is communication
  • Communication will be the catalyst to innovation in a lot of industries
  • Communication is a platform of all innovations - let innovators communicate to each other
  • New York Times had a reporter on internet - Peter Lewis who was hired to write negative things about internet 
  • Massive technical innovation in energy but as long as we substitute oil
  • The price of solar energy prices dropped like a rock
  • The cleantech has to have 2X price/performance to replace oil&gas and then they stall out because of the subsidy imbalance and people say "aha, it didn't work"
  • Energy is 100% political problem not innovation problem
  • Transportation 
    • vehicles themselves 
      • including Tesla, did not get to price/performance curves 
      • self-driving cars: Google and Mercedes Benz
    • optimization
      • generally smartphone based to optimize traffic - waze
  • What evidence would convince you that you are wrong?
    • number of scientists and engineers in the world - raw material of innovation
      • 2.1 million natural science degrees in US in 2000
      • 2.1 to 3.7 by 2008 worldwide
      • number of researchers grew from 3.7-5.9 million in 1995-2007
    • per capita GDP
      • since 1871 grew from 300 to 45,000 in current dollars
    • imagination
      • number of scientific papers
      • patents become anti indicator
  • Number of public tech companies 8800-4100 in 1977-Present
  • Regulatory competition - countries can compete in industries that are highly regulated or not allowed in US





Debate - Thiel vs Sacca

DealBook Conference 2015, Venture Capital and Where it's going
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54NIcx3HJSE

Thiel

  • Yahoo wanted to buy Facebook in 2006 for 1B, Zuckerberg said NO, Thiel said MAYBE
    • Founder CEO vs Professional CEO 
    • Mark Zuckerberg did not want to sell because he didn't know what to do with ~250million - 'start another social network?! I am happy with what I have'
    • Some of the new features being developed were not valued properly
  • Why not invested in Tesla?
    • We had a bias toward cleantech in 2005-2008
    • Valuation were inflated and people were very crazy, a lot of insanity around it at the time
    • Tesla is one company that worked 
  • Investing in founders, ideas, business strategy - package deal
    • I like companies that are extremely mission driven
  • Personalities (founders) are very extreme
    • There is misprice on these people 
    • 'I cant wait for him to fail'
    • they are portrayed more evil then they are
  • Are we in a private tech bubble?
    • Valuations are high
    • We are not near 1999-2000 levels
    • If there is bubble it is not in tech
    • If public involved then it is a bubble
  • Uber - the most ethically challenged company in SV
    • how much and how far you push the envelope
    • how much you break the law
    • Napster pushed too far
    • Uber is a little bit corrupt
  • High compensation in startups - red flag
  • General investor question - Fundamental and contrarian?
  • It is always bad to be a 'me too' company
Sacca

  • FB wanted to buy Twitter for 0.7B
  • Investors sometimes do not process how much passion from Founders drives companies and you cannot trade that
  • There was a cleantech bubble
  • 11 of unicorns
  • Why the investment worked?
    • Founders talk about of INEVITABILITY of success of the company since Day 1
    • No conditionality, only Future Simple Tense
  • Gender discrimination
    • Companies are run by white guys
    • We should start educating women since early age 
    • Guy are taught since early age how to bluff, pitch, and sell
    • Linguistic barrier - we end sentence on upbeat in Silicon Valley which implies 'are you with me?'
    • 'Can a good man become a great man' - bullshit question
    • It is going to take decade to unravel this
  • Lyft goes away

Book - Startup of You

My understanding of Startup of You by Reid Hoffman and Ben Casnocha

What I remember

  • Your career is a startup - permanent beta - always test, always Day 1
  • Constantly develop competitive advantage - by using your Assets Aspirations and Market Valuations (what market thinks of your skills)
  • Always network - be genuine
    • Physical presence is important
    • Hustle
    • Show up
  • Have allies and weak ties totaling ~150 people. Also have other people to reach out to.
    • Its interesting if you only have to have 150, and the new connection must replace existing
  • Sheryl Sandberg employed by Larry Summers: once given an assignment to research a very hard topic, instead of researching books, she talked to the person who knew about the topic a lot - this impressed her boss
  • Who you know is what you know
  • Companies operate at the level of their weakest employee.